Re: eneamtiu

by ecce Wed Oct 15, 2008 9:53 pm

I'll be asleep when my waves hit so I'll report in the morning (9-10 hours from now). Hopefully at least either me or IronSmith keep a sweeper intact so we can keep the waves coming.
We should post some of these reports to the Crusader forums- there are no recorded attacks on Pftf-FR yet, so this should be welcome good news.

IMPORTANT: We have to move the second attack time until later; with 12:40 attack times and less than 24 hours between attacks it just isn't possible for me. 13:00 instead of 1:00, or any time up to 3 hours after that is fine for me. Otherwise we'll just have to each attack as we can.

EDIT: Here are the reports. He definitely has a stonemason, as I hardly did any damage with my catas (I don't have a lot of catas, but they still should do more damage).

http://travilog.org.ua/en/2295442/f4b6fbdb59ecb0cf1d763853b669baec
http://travilog.org.ua/en/6971271/9e50658d7b98b19a4d4c27d4100d5431
http://travilog.org.ua/en/2510796/d24fbaf1e9445c3b256e68eac6b8a47d
http://travilog.org.ua/en/2708417/65641a158dc6180cf85354bf4f108871

I'll have to coordinate my catas with someone else's sweeper until I can get more swords Sad

*I made a thread on the Crusader forums, so you can post your logs there if you wish.

by IronSmith Thu Oct 16, 2008 11:10 am

http://travian-reports.net/us/raport.php?id=2a73de460
http://travian-reports.net/us/raport.php?id=e602373e2
http://travian-reports.net/us/raport.php?id=abc18e75e

I've got my catas and another sweeper arriving in about7.5 hous at his capital

BTW the reason we're not doing this on the crusaders forums in the first place is there are PFtF spies in crusaders. This is the only clean place we have.

by ecce Thu Oct 16, 2008 12:51 pm

Well reports are safe to put on the Crusader forums (you can edit out troop count if you wish); but yeah I wouldn't put any plans on those forums.

by RennMan Thu Oct 16, 2008 2:26 pm

http://travilog.org.ua/en/2619953/92197e7d663d03e95bb27ac0211a8ee5

by IronSmith Thu Oct 16, 2008 2:39 pm

I just got a message from him and I told him if he abandons PFtF we'd have mercy on him.

by ecce Thu Oct 16, 2008 2:49 pm

Well one of us will have to be sitter for him to see whether he actually abandons pftf. If it works out it would be nice, but it could be complicated. In any case, let us know if we need to call a cease fire.

Keep me updated with any attacks on Inara; I have my catas back but I need to be sure they won't be wiped out, as only have 1k swords to cover them; if you will be sending another sweeper let me know the time and I'll try to follow up as close as I can. Seeing the slow damage I'll just send them all in one wave.

by IronSmith Fri Oct 17, 2008 1:51 am

Well, looks like the war is still on. I have some incoming attacks from PFtF now.
Here is an attack log: http://travian-reports.net/us/raport.php?id=a46c8b625,79da1b2ac
His wall is down to 10 and I destroyed half of his crop production in his capatal.

The following is a transcript of my communications with him. Remember to read from the bottom up

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IronSmith wrote:

Your right, calling you a "PFtF representative" was way out of line. You only have friends that belong to PFtF and you only belong to that alliance and you only won't quit that alliance because it is somehow more what you are than your own nation. What was I thinking? Shame on me! That was exactly like calling you a terrorist! I'm so sorry, I only wish I could inspire the kind of loyalty you have shown for your PFtF family.

You know we should also get rid of other labels while were at it, labels like "sick" and "student" and "mother" and "mayor" because all of those labels force us to look at and treat those people differently and they in no way represent anything useful about those people.

I also think that you should teach me a lesson for my over aggressiveness, you should be very very passive cause aggression is so bad. If your passive enough all of your problems will simply disappear, everyone will know not to take advantage of you because you'll never do anything about it. That sounds like a stellar plan, you should run with that (a passive run of course, you wouldn't want to sprang an ankle).

In the future I'll be sure to scour my messages for discriminating titles like "representative" cause I wouldn't want to accidentally show off my true prejudiced nature. You've taught me so much, how can I ever thank you for your immense wisdom. I will try not to say what I really mean in the future so everyone can be happy.

Oh how beautiful it would be if we eliminate all of this virtual aggression and this segregation we call "alliances". We would live in such a paradise!
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eneamtiu wrote:

I'm nobody's enemy. You, by these attacks, are trying to be mine. This practice of labeling people - "PFtF representative", "terrorist" - is cause of much hate in game and in real world. I'm not a label, I'm a real person, a former ally, which you are attacking directly. Its pure aggression, even if its virtual.

There weren't any attacks on my wing from Crusaders. They are too far. This is the first. For the first time the members will see that there IS a war. The result is that they will increase the troop number and really prepare. So, in fact, this attack is not weakening them it just makes them more aware.

Maybe all of you will succeed in destroying some of my villages. You will just get the other 50 members all trooped up and having a concrete enemy.

I didn't realize I have "guilt tactics" skills . Good thing to know (even as deplorable as they are) .

Have fun

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IronSmith wrote:

Actually, if you have PFtF friends then this is not a useless act. Peaceful or not, you willingly represent PFtF who has been declared my enemy. Other PFtF members will likely come to your aid if they really are your friends. PFtF will become weaker because it is diverting its resources away from the battle front into the outskirts which makes my troops twice as effective as theirs because there stepping into my territory. I know you don't want enemies but the fact that you had offensive troops to kill tells me one important thing, that is you're not so peaceful as you declare yourself to be.

I intend to be part of the WW construction as this is my last server and I have never before been part of the WW construction. If that means attacking someone who used to be affiliated with the same alliance but abandoned because of its "obvious demise" then I'll find a way to get over my guilt.

I wish you hadn't written me about this cause I was having fun with this. Your skill with guilt tactics is deplorable.
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eneamtiu wrote:

I don't take it personally because it isn't.

But you should feel guilty, buddy!

Be a good member of the crusaders by attacking active participants in this war, not me. Fight where it counts. What you're doing here is just useless destruction. And guilt is the right sentiment for it.

I can't leave my current alliance, I have made some friends here and, like someone said, I will better betray my country than betray a friend. Besides, I have a village right in the middle of PFtF. Protecting that village was one of the reason I joined them. The obvious demise of ISSNH was one of the others.

Me, leaving some friends won't be a victory for anyone. Like I said, I'm a peaceful player, I support peace. War, real or virtual, is stupid and I don't condone it.

(well, if you must have it this way ...) Have fun.
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IronSmith wrote:

I miss ISSNH, we had lot of fun but sadly I think that moving to the outskirts was not to our benifit because slowly we were loosing members and had no one new to recruit. This will probably be my last server like most of the other players that are attacking you. We may not be personal enemies and the fact that we once shared an alliance makes me feel very guilty about this but I need someone to attack in PFtF otherwise I'd be a bad member of Crusaders. I hope you don't take this personally because I'd hate it if you did.

If you quit PFtF I'm 99% sure that all of the players attacking you would probably stop including myself. We could write it off as a victory for the old ISSNH family and as a success against PFtF. If you could do that then we'd have peace between us.

To be fare to myself, you are partially to blame for this, like a few others, you did abandon ISSNH way before we joined the Crusaders, so using that to make me feel like crap is kind of a low blow.

IronSmith
ex-ISSNH Co-Founder
current Crusaders Recruiter
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eneamtiu wrote:

What, in the name of ISSNH, are you doing !?

You, like me (like all of us, outskirts dwellers), have villages in this area because you hate war. Are you becoming the very thing you were running from?

I know, this is a war game, we are enemies, bla, bla, bla. That doesn't mean we cannot bring peace into it. And we are NOT enemies. Just because some meta alliance "politicians" decided C-wings and PFtF-wings must fight doesn't mean you and I should too.

You are not supporting your allies here. You are attacking a middle of nowhere, peaceful, not harming a fly, player. And you gang up with 10 others. Move your troops where the fight is, if you want to fight, don't bully some noob (me ) just to feel your participating.

You disturbed my harmony, shame on you! (and your bullies).

Have fun. (i don't)

by IronSmith Fri Oct 17, 2008 12:41 pm

I have another cata wave going into the capital targeting the market and cropland. the cleaning wave should arrive @ Saturday, October 18, 2008 at 04:28:48 UTC in case anyone wants to send their catas.

by ecce Fri Oct 17, 2008 10:17 pm

I have no attacks on me; if you need defense I can send some phalanxes (druidriders have to go to the front lines).

I'm afraid I was gone all day today, so my catas will have to miss this attack. I can either hold them for the next one, or I can send them to another village where hopefully I won't need cover.

Crop is of course a sure-fire method, but it feels to me like it will result in a war of attrition, considering our slow attack rate. I want to consider supplementary targets as to whether they could speed up the process:
Markets: so he can't supply his villages as easily? (even close villages would be a pain to supply using two merchants at a time)
Pick a non-crop resource: try to cripple his ability to build anything?
Warehouses: try to keep his rebuilding slow?

I know we have to mostly hit crop/granary/MB so he has a hard time keeping defenders alive, and will continue to focus on crop, but I just want to be sure whether we should occasionally change our targets for the quickest victory.

by IronSmith Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:17 pm

Most of his villages are croppers but his capital is a normal 4446 which means that he probably uses his main village as resource supply for his other cities. That should effectively cut his troop production in 4. His main village is most likely already crop locked which means after his market is gone his capital is useless to him.

by IronSmith Sat Oct 18, 2008 8:35 am

http://travian-reports.net/us/raport.php?id=ae96abc78,abf0b927b

His wall is gone, 3 out of 6 of his croplands are gone and his market place is down to lvl12 from 20.

by ecce Sat Oct 18, 2008 10:25 am

Just to get something done I'm attacking mei-mei and faking inara and gorram; they hit 3:30am sunday UTC. If he has no defense I should easily take out two crops.

If anyone other than ironsmith can still attack, maybe start attacking markets, main buildings, warehouses and the like; crop has to stay suppressed, but we need to start razing his villages. If anyone wants to conquer a village or two claim them so we don't overdo the catas on them.

by ecce Sat Oct 18, 2008 9:46 pm

Hit some resistance, but two more crops are down.
http://travilog.org.ua/en/4997162/3498124499b487cff9124417719b4764

He hasn't been doing much rebuilding, so I'd assume he's putting all he has into phalanxes. Considering how I didn't lose too much on my attack, he must be getting low level phalanxes at that. If you have troops, please keep attacking his villages so he can't accumulate troops; if your hero needs experience, this is the perfect opportunity for you. At this rate every cata hit will accelerate his destruction, and as long as he has no defense, we can keep sending the catas. I think I will have some of my catas target clay now, as he can't get phalanxes if he has no clay.
(check http://travian.ws/analyser.pl?s=com7&uid=11023 to see his growth/loss rates)

by ecce Mon Oct 20, 2008 8:21 am

Seems he still had a number of phalanxes around:
http://travilog.org.ua/en/7917284/14b3f48fccfbbc319841c65b841cfef3
I killed most of those troops, and I hope that was the bulk of his defense.

I won't be able to attack for a week, and even then I'd have to keep it to random attacks that he hopefully won't defend. Hopefully people can keep up attacks so he can't build up anything. Right now we are barely countering his growth, so we need more effort going if we are to destroy him before the end of this year.

by IronSmith Mon Oct 20, 2008 1:53 pm

crap that sucks that you lost all of your catas. That means me and Zathrus are the only ones left with Catas.

by RennMan Tue Oct 21, 2008 9:13 am

I've been rebuilding my catas (up to 65 so far), but I don't know if I can continue with these attacks.

I have been tasked by my wing to start an offensive on Celestyn of PFtF G-R, who happens to be ranked 9th on the entire server. Not looking forward to that. But that's where I need to focus my troops.

by IronSmith Tue Oct 21, 2008 11:35 am

http://travian-reports.net/us/raport.php?id=a9a6f0499,4ec7be2d2

Looks like I've lost all of my catas. I now have 10 incoming attacks on two of my cities.

It is working so far. We have almost completely stunted his growth for about a week and his friends from PFtF-FR are sending reinforcements to him instead of the front lines. I think over all we have succeeded in our task to help.

by ecce Wed Oct 22, 2008 11:58 pm

I've got ~1500 crop in offense, and 75 catas. I'll build a bit more, then try getting in small hits. I suppose the way its going if we want to wipe him out we either need more help, or we have to out-grow him and eventually build big enough armies to not worry about his reinforcements. Otherwise keeping his growth stunted is still a decent goal, though we can't keep losing our armies while at it.

by IronSmith Thu Oct 23, 2008 8:38 pm

I killed in all of my attacks over 10k of his soldiers and of my 10k soldiers I still have about 3k left. I just don't have the catas so it doesn't help much. The last time I got him there was only 5 seconds between the catas and cleaning wave and he still got the reinforcements. I'm almost up to 6k production per hour on my capital and when I've maxed out my resources in my capital I'll be an extreme force and he and all of his allies wont be able to reinforce enough to defend against all of us.

by ecce Tue Oct 28, 2008 5:06 pm

I have enough troops I can attack, but considering how he can get defense troops faster than I can get offense, I'll only be able to do small attacks, hoping not to hit much defense. Even if he spreads out all of his troops evenly for each attack, he would easily whittle down my army (I have 2900 swords, 400 haeduans and 178 catas).

I think we have to simply build up enough so enough of us have full-strength armies that we can lay on the blows while his defense can't hold us all off. I don't expect his defense will be growing much right now, while our armies are hopefully growing at full speed, so taking our time should mean we are reducing our overall risk when we do attack. I know we would like to keep these attacks far enough from end-game that we can have armies for then, but I'd rather wait and have a high chance of success.

Anyone who cannot get 10k+ offense troops (not counting catas) should get a higher proportion of catas. That way hopefully our big armies can clear his cities enough that you don't need huge armies. The problem with our first attempt at this is we didn't have enough catas to tear his villages apart. We certainly need at least 1k catas combined ready to hit him, though ideally more like 1.5k so we can lose some and still have plenty. I think I could manage 500 by the time I hit 10k swords.

by ecce Wed Nov 05, 2008 8:18 am

Who is building an army for attacking eneamtiu? Since he is about the only close Pftf or LA player, the only reason for me to get catas is if we are attacking him, so I have to know if we still have support for this so I know what kind of army to build.

I have 5400 swords, 850 haeduans and 375 catas and counting.

by IronSmith Sat Nov 08, 2008 10:37 pm

I almost lost all of my swardies, I just built about 400 catas though. I think I'm going to wait on attacking him again for a short while.

by Zarknorg Sun Nov 09, 2008 8:26 am

Never give up, never surrender. Beam me up Scotty

by IronSmith Sun Nov 09, 2008 2:15 pm

zarky you've been on vacation on Ikariam? Can I still your resources if they start to overflow?

by Zarknorg Sun Nov 09, 2008 3:36 pm

Take what u need Smitty, I just set it to vacation mode as I just wasn't wanting to deal with it for a week or two. You will most likely have to send everyone back to work as I'm not sure if it saves the number of workers I had working b4 vacation mode was started. Only know that they just aren't working on anything right now. Let me know if you need my PW again and be sure to keep an eye on the account less u start up vacation mode again.

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